Friday 8 March 2019

Hero Kids review round-up

No time like the present to scrape the latest Hero Kids reviews for insights.

First, we have an in-depth review of Hero Kids on YouTube:


That review includes an interesting Adventure Blueprint framework to structure adventures for beginner players all the way up to experienced players:


Second, I'm seeing a theme of people using Hero Kids in their 'normal' games, not just with kids:

"Simple, objective, upgradable, replayable, PERFECT! Awesome to play with kids but I cannot deny that I am playing with a group of adult friends and we are having a lot of fun. LOL"

Third, we have lots of feedback from people introing their kids to RPGs with Hero Kids:

"Great product! I was wanting to introduce my 9yo to tabletop RPGs and this was a perfect way. She grasped it quickly and wants to play every weekend now. I will be buying the rest of the modules now I guess! Thanks!"

"This is absolutely fantastic for younger kids getting into rpg's, i started by getting my kids (3, 4 and 8) to choose a hero out of the coloriong book, a separate free download, and got them to color in their heroes as we played (a helpful distraction at times for the younger 2).
I had my 8 year old help the 3 year old at times but he is definitely keen to play more, and all 3 kids already feel a connection to there heroes and each others, (one encounter I may have KO'd one of their heroes causing them to get a little upset....but they worked out they could use a potion on him to get him up again).
Things are easily modifed to suit your needs with age differences etc. and the book has a few tips on running a game with younger players. I'm so glad i found this!"


Fourth, there's several reviews that give specific feedback about using Fire In Rivenshore to teach when it's okay to keep secrets, and when these should be discussed with adults:

"This was a good adventure to work on listening skills - trying to keep a list of tasks and the order she wanted to do them in to help the most people.
It also highlighted that we needed to discuss with her about what is ok to keep secrets about vs things that should be discussed with an adult. Amazing what a 'simple game' can make parents realize :-)"


And this review:

"6.5 year old has very much enjoyed the game - we've played 2 of the adventures so far - one of which we did one evening while on a family vacation - just had printed the adventure beforehand - handful of 6 sided dice and a very compact game to play whereever the desire (or boredom) may strike.
Simple rules, simple math, the adults have had fun, she has had fun.

Works on listening skills, critical thinking, some good math practice for the age group, and at least one of the adventures highlighted a discussion we needed to have on what kinds of things are appropriate for "keeping secrets" vs what should be discussed with an adult."

Fifthly, here's a recent - and lovely - review:

"This is a great system—not only for introducing young kids to RPGs, but also for enabling families with young kids to play RPGs together. The system is simple enough for very young children to be able to play, but has enough detail that older kids can enhance their characters' capabilities as they understand more.

All of the player characters (many fun pregenerated options are included) have a special ability. My kids have latched on to these; each is excited about their character's special strengths and functionality. The enemies also have well-concieved special abilities, so there's some exciting variety in combat even though the combat mechanic is very simple and easy for all to navigate.

The published adventures are a lot of fun, and always include enough detail to help inexperienced DM parents narrate a compelling story for the kids. Of particular note are the maps. They're done simply but very well. They're nice to print out and keep around for reuse in other adventures in other systems.

That's all enough to make this a great system; but to sweeten the deal, the prices are very reasonable."

Finally, let's talk about some criticism:

"The first adventure focuses only on combat, and is incredibly repetitive. Fight a group of rats, then another group of rats, then a third group of rats, then the rats and their king. I'm not adverse to violence (I love intriguing fights), but the system is so simple that the fights become boring very quickly on the one hand, and on the other hand: is this REALLY what RPGs are about? Kill monsters? I think we all know there are about much more than that. They are about the wonder of discovery, the relationship between characters, moral questions and problems, etc. Kids are NOT too young to deal with these issues! By focusing the adventure (and indeed, the core system) only on combat, it diminishes their potential enjoyment of the game."

This is a legitimate criticism of the first adventure; Basement O Rats.  It was the first I ever wrote for Hero Kids, and it is heavily combat-focused.  As this reviewer points out, the adventure includes four combat encounters, and only a couple of exploration elements.  While the side room does include an opportunity for role-playing, it's incumbent of the GM to create and introduce a character here; 'Old man Jenkins'...

The heavy focus on combat for this adventure was intentional, to the extent that anything I wrote that long ago was intentional.  As the intro adventure, I wanted the adventure to focus heavily on the mechanically-codified section of the game, combat, rather that on the more free-form aspects of the game, exploration and role-playing.

With an extra six-year's experience under my belt, Darkness Neath Rivenshore is somewhat of a replacement for Basement O Rats.  

Compared to Basement O Rats, Darkness Neath Rivenshore has:
  • Less combat encounters
  • More variety to the combat encounters
  • Integrated role-playing through the conversations with Emon in the drains
  • Puzzle and exploration elements integrated into the encounters (blocking gates, the spring statue, the cause of the mutations, etc)
  • The option to use the adventure to explore death (from the review "Kids are NOT too young to deal with these issues!")
So, I guess if people don't like Basement O Rats, they should play Darkness Neath Rivenshore as a better representation of the role-playing experience.

And maybe I'll revise Basement O Rats in the future...

By the way, despite that reviewer's criticism, their review is still positive:

"Overall, this is a recommended purchase for any parent who wants to involve his or her kids in RPGs for the first time, but be aware you'll need to do a lot of tweaking to the adventures."

9 comments:

  1. Today both my 5 year old son and I played our first Hero Kids adventure. It was also my first experience with playing as a GM (SCARY but FUN). Luckely for my son does understand English quite well so I didn't have to translate to much to Dutch ;)
    For him the Basement O Rats was perfect, simple and straightforward. He even liked it so much he wants to play it again. And I want to do that as well so I can get more practice before our next adventure, what probably be Darkness Neath Rivenshore ;)

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    1. Thanks for the feedback; it's good to hear that Basement O Rats was perfect for you and your son.

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  2. I see on the main website a photo of hardcover editions. Is there a place I can buy these? Email me at thebeav421@gmail.com

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    1. Only softcovers for Hero Kids:
      https://www.drivethrurpg.com/browse/pub/4846/Hero-Forge-Games?filters=0_0_0_44294_0

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  3. Hey Justin, been having a blast running sessions for my eight year old and her friends.

    But we're almost out of adventures! I'm prepared to write my own, but I've also seen these 'bayhaven' adventures. Are these a knock off? They appear to reference Rivenshore. I don't want to support them if they are stealing your IP.

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    1. Hey, the Bayhaven Adventures have my permission to use some Hero Kids IP. So they're worth checking out.

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  4. What I have liked doing is using the available Hero Kids adventures as a framework and building out slightly larger adventures from them. That may be adding more in-depth dialog, expanding on NPCs/locations, or changing up or adding new encounters to fit the maps (I use Heroic Maps instead of what come with the adventures). I'm also not super firm with the rules (my dice treat me better as a GM than they ever do as a player, so I lie about results to keep from wiping the party all the time) and like to throw in some different things to add some variety and maximize fun, like having some situational dice roll be with Fantasy Flight Games Star Wars dice, so you have the possibility of good and bad things happening in the same roll. My daughter and niece really enjoy this.

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    1. Sounds amazing. Thanks for sharing!

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    2. Those Heroic Maps look awesome:
      https://www.drivethrurpg.com/browse/pub/5371/Heroic-Maps

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